In this article, Ill discuss what [], How to Get Prescriptions Without Insurance, Buying prescription medication when youre uninsured can be stressful and expensive. People with health insurance can get a visit to the ER covered if it surpasses $150, which means that they usually won't be required to pay anything for the full ER treatment. Generally, acute conditions like the flu happen suddenly and have rapidly growing symptoms but dont last more than a few weeks or months. SARAH KLIFF: You know, I wanted to do this because the emergency room is such a common place where Americans interact with the health care system. This is FRESH AIR. She appealed it. If you dont have insurance, your bill at a primary care office might range from around $150 to $450. So we've seen, you know, President Trump, for example, essentially declare victory, declare that repealing the individual mandate is repealing Obamacare, so we're good on that goal. And if you're just joining us, my guest is Sarah Kliff, senior policy correspondent at Vox, where she focuses on health policy. KLIFF: So hospital executives get to decide, and I think that is why there is such variation. You will also need to meet your deductible before your insurance covers your visit, so if you have a $2,500 deductible, youll have to pay that before the rest of your emergency room bill is covered. And then a few months later, they get an $18,000 charge for the trauma team that assembled for when that baby came to the hospital. And again, these fees can be pretty hefty. I see a lot of, you know, if we just made the prices public, like, that is what we need to do to fix the system, and I think that really misses the fact that, even if the prices were public, health care is so different from everything else we shop for. You investigated that bill. Usually, your primary care provider can help, and they should be able to send your prescription to the pharmacy of your choice. An urgent care visit costs less than a trip to the emergency room. If your treatment is extensive, an ER visit can exceed this price. Debt.org. So this has led to a bit of an unusual situation where you've had this coalition of Democratic attorneys general step in and take over the case, basically saying that the federal government is going - is not going to defend the Affordable Care Act. The authoritative record of NPRs programming is the audio record. They can't make a choice about it if they don't know. For the past year and a half, she's been writing about why emergency room visits can be so expensive and the pricing so secretive and mysterious, as well as inconsistent from one hospital to the next. When you or a loved one is very sick, in a lot of pain, or otherwise in need of immediate medical care, your first impulse is most likely to visit an emergency room (ER). And San Francisco General is the only trauma center in San Francisco. Fay, B. I've seen some that are in the high thousands. And then I think one of the things you're also going to see is whoever is the Democratic nominee is probably going to run on Obamacare. There's two people who have the same problem who go to the emergency room. It's been through multiple Supreme Court suits. In this article, Ill explain when to visit the emergency room, what the average cost of an emergency room visit is in each state, and what factors influence the prices of an ER visit. GROSS: So now that there's no individual mandate, conservative attorney generals are challenging Obamacare - the Affordable Care Act - and saying it's no longer constitutional after Congress's repeal of the individual mandate. GROSS: What kind of protection could there be? No sole factor is singularly responsible for the price of an ER visit. How Much Does an ER Visit Cost Without Insurance? Learn more about how Mira can simplify your health coverage. We want you to be able to estimate costs as you plan for upcoming procedures and services. I think one of the most compelling arguments against this case is that Congress knew what they were doing when they repealed the individual mandate. And there was a pole hanging off the back of the bus that wasn't where it's supposed to be. I'd say the closest but it's not even close are a few countries that have national health care systems, but they do it through tightly regulated private health insurance plans. K Health articles are all written and reviewed by MDs, PhDs, NPs, or PharmDs and are for informational purposes only. Scheduling regular, annual check-ups with your PCP will help you maintain your overall health. KLIFF: Yeah. Dont take no for an answer. But some strategies can help you to save money. This is FRESH AIR. He had insurance through his dad. She called her mom who is a nurse, and the nurse said, that might be appendicitis. Insurance plans drop medications for various reasons. All rights reserved. GROSS: Sarah Kliff covers health policy for Vox, where you'll find her series about emergency room bills. If you have a non-emergency, you should consider other options, such as urgent care and telemedicine, to save money. Chronic conditions develop over time and last more than six months. Clinics are typically open after hours and on the weekends and can treat non-life-threatening issues like: Primary care physicians treat non-life-threatening conditions that are either acute or chronic. People visit the emergency room for various reasons that can be classified according to different levels of care. If you're just joining us, my guest is Sarah Kliff. The thing I found a little bit confusing about that, though, is there are lots of public hospitals, say, that, you know, also serve low-income populations. Choosing a PCP can feel overwhelming, but its important to remember that you [], How Does Telehealth Work? And I will say there are a lot of critics of this case. She's a senior policy correspondent at Vox, where she focuses on health policy. And I said, I don't know, but I'm going to find out. I don't necessarily buy that explanation, to be clear. The government has a right to tax people. GROSS: So what is the status of Obamacare now? If you are experiencing a medical emergency that requires immediate attention, you should always seek care from an emergency room. If you have to go to an emergency room, you can lower your bill by negotiating with your insurance company or asking for a discount. She's reported her findings in a series of articles on Vox. You know, and I think where some legal scholars would see it shaking out is that the - someone like John Roberts, he might agree, OK, yeah, the individual mandate is unconstitutional, but would not make the leap to the second half of this, that the rest of the law has to fall. And even if they do, individual physicians may still be out of network for some patients. That happened as part of the big tax package that passed at the end of 2017. Please seek medical advice before starting, changing or terminating any medical treatment. And if you're just joining us, my guest is Sarah Kliff. Its an excellent way to see a doctor for less serious problems, including acne, birth control, urinary tract infections in younger people (seniors should be seen in person by a doctor for these), and other minor issues. One case was a baby who fell from more than 3 feet, and that's considered to trigger a trauma activation. Do you think health insurance is shaping up to be a big issue in the 2020 campaign? . GROSS: So why doesn't Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital contract with private insurers? She gets to the other hospital, but the other hospital won't see her because she's a trauma patient. Keep calling and keep trying. We are going to defend the Affordable Care Act. The Affordable Care Act (also known as Obamacare) requires all plans to cover emergency services. The average prices for some of the most common reasons for ER visits are as follows: For sprains and strains: $1498. KLIFF: For the time, it seems pretty clear that repeal and replace is dead on arrival, especially with Democrats taking control of the House this year. She is passionate about educating others on how to affordably access healthcare. You can try and badger each doctor you see about whether they are in network. It's a place where you can't really shop for health care. So we're going to take a short break, and then we'll talk more about emergency billing. Doctor visit costs. Urgent care vs. ER. So it feels like it might be a bit of a reach to argue that what Congress really meant to do was repeal all these other parts of the Affordable Care Act. KLIFF: That's just for the ibuprofen. Secondly, since emergency rooms run on a 24-hour schedule, a lot of personnel is needed to keep them optimally staffed. Her name is Nelly. Small picture was actually a bill that someone sent me almost three years ago now, where they took their daughter to the emergency room. They were nervous. Urgent Care vs Primary Care: Whats the Difference? They generally serve a lower-income, often indigent population in San Francisco that would have trouble getting admitted and seeking care at other hospitals in the city. This is FRESH AIR. There's nothing like it. An urgent care visit typically costs between 20% and 50% of the cost of an emergency room visit. KLIFF: Right. An urgent care center is an option to get care for non-life-threatening injuries like sprains and broken bones, cuts and bruises, or illnesses like flu, ear infections or a cold. I believe that was at a hospital in Texas. So that's the first part of it. Between $358 and $1,595 at the ER. And, you know, this is something I see all the time reading emergency bills - I've read about 1,500 of them at this point - is that things you could buy in a drugstore often cost significantly more in the emergency room. You can - you know, one health attorney who negotiates these a lot on behalf of patients - he says one of his favorite tactics is to choose the amount you want to pay; send a check with that amount; and in the note, write, paid in full; and hope they don't come after you after that. Determining whether to go to urgent care or an emergency room can be unclear. These costs then get passed to the patients. The average cost for different kinds of illnesses treated at an ER varies depending on whats involved in the management of the condition and whether any tests are needed. Determining whether to go to urgent care or an emergency room. (SOUNDBITE OF GEORGE FENTON AND PHILHARMONIC ORCHESTRA'S "MISS SHEPHERD'S WALTZ"). She got it treated elsewhere later down the line. You know, there's certain things, yes, you can do. So, you know, that's the justification they offered, that it is a hospital meant to serve those with public insurance. You can ask for a prompt pay discount if you pay right away. You cannot buy your way to the front of the line in Canada. Usually, it's the Justice Department that is going to defend a federal law in court. It essentially flew off the back of the bus, hit him in the face and knocked him unconscious. Banner Health facility and applicable insurance information. Only $45/month on average. An immediate, significant threat to life or physiologic functioning. Get prescription saving tips and more from GoodRx Health. Let's get back to my interview with journalist Sarah Kliff, who covers health policy and how it affects people for Vox. He doesn't have, you know, the ability to go home, like, research, like, make an appointment with a new surgeon. If you visit the ER without insurance, you could end up paying that entire amount or more yourself. Emergency room costs with or without health insurance can be very high. Here's another surprise that often awaits people who go to emergency rooms - some insurance plans only cover true emergencies, and whether it is a true emergency is sometimes determined after the diagnosis is made. We have a new justice. Under the Act, people can access emergency care from out-of-network providers without paying extra money for it. Copyright 2019 NPR. Goes home. The No Surprises Act of 2022 protects insured people from receiving surprise medical bills when they receive most emergency services. But, you know, I think with someone like Scott, sitting in a hospital with a broken jaw, there's not much you can do with that information. And the next thing he knows, he's waking up at Zuckerberg San Francisco General, which is the only Level I trauma center in the city. Therefore, we've provided a list of prices associated with each hospital service across our system in the machine readable files below. Get prescription refills, talk to a doctor, and manage health conditions online. What if we let patients know who is in and out of network? So this student is hit by a city bus, taken by an ambulance to the city hospital and ends up with a $27,000 bill as a result. I have no idea if that works or not, but he says it works for his patients. After we take a short break, Maureen Corrigan will review two books about forgotten stories from Hollywood. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. And I think, you know, even more, let's say he did say he was out of network. Does insurance cover the cost of an ER visit? Their system is all about equality. If you're just joining us, my guest is Sarah Kliff. KLIFF: So one of the most common things we see is out-of-network doctors working at in-network emergency rooms. Urgent care is also a lot less expensive. It's a similar hidden fee in hospitals that have trauma centers in their emergency rooms. You know, one of the things we talk about a lot in health policy is, what if we had more transparency? A few things to know about how emergency departments determine how much to charge you: It is essential to determine if your condition is genuinely emergent or could be treated at urgent care. For example, one hospital charged $76 for Bacitracin antibacterial ointment. Some PCPs may have busy schedules that will require you to wait a few days before seeing them for acute care, but most will be able to either prescribe medication or send you to local urgent care for immediate help. And Anthem, you know, sent her a letter saying, we're not going to cover that visit because it was not a true emergency. KLIFF: You know, one of the ones that's come up a lot is actually around the role of private health insurance. So when you get your bill, check to see how your visit was coded. There's also, like, a trauma unit fee. And then later, we'll talk about what's left of Obamacare, and what the president and Congress and candidates are saying about health care, after this break. You know, I've seen some that are in the low hundreds. Under this legislation, insurers cannot charge you more for going to an out-of-network hospital or health care provider. Estimates are available for 300 services and procedures. Did that pass? That doesn't happen in the United States. She's also spent years reporting on the battle over health insurance policy. Nearly every other country in the developed world - they see health care something as, you know, akin to a utility that everyone needs, like electricity or water. In addition to direct care costs, when you register as a patient at an emergency room, youre also charged a facility or triage-fee. If you are having difficulty accessing this website, please call or email us at (855) 268-2822 or ada@goodrx.com so that we can provide you with the services you require through alternative means. GROSS: I want to get back to the $60 ibuprofen. Many also have out-of-hours phone advice lines to help you decide what care you need if an issue arises at night or on the weekend. If you are faced my a surprise medical bill, there are ways you can dispute it. They have a slightly different argument. KLIFF: You know, you really - there isn't a great way to tell, to be honest. And, you know, one of the things you pay for at the emergency room is the ability to get any medication at any hour of the day right when you need it. KLIFF: So we're actually seeing a lot of action on this in Congress. So this patient, his name is Justin. If you believe that your medical bill is more than you should be paying, there are several things that you may be able to do in order to help lower this cost. Keeping an emergency room open 24/7 with trained and skilled staff has very high costs. They gave him a bottle of formula. Some scans can be as high as $20,400. GROSS: Like, it's supposed to cover him for things like that (laughter). You know, if they're just, let's say, at the start of the year, they are going to essentially have to bear the costs of that emergency room visit up until the point they hit their deductible and the insurance kicks in, whereas the person who has a co-payment, they're just going to have to pay that flat fee and, you know, probably not worry about paying more, but there's often surprise bills lurking in the corner that could affect both of those patients as well. I've been thinking about this a lot lately actually. I'm Terry Gross. Gets the surgery. She collected over 1,000 bills and tracked down stories behind the billing. You should also note that sometimes there are out of network doctors working in facilities that are in-network, which you might only find out once you get the bill. And, you know, you can certainly - if you do end up with a surprise bill, you can call up the hospital, see if there's a discount. It's up to the hospital if they want to grant you that or not. KLIFF: Well, the person with the deductible will likely be billed significantly more. GROSS: So what advice do you have for people who actually need an emergency room and don't want to get hit with a shocking bill afterwards? So you have this coalition of Democratic attorneys general, led by the attorney general of California, stepping in and, you know, offering a defense as this case works its way up through the court system. Vox reporter Sarah Kliff spent over a year reading thousands of ER bills and investigating the reasons behind the costs, including hidden fees, overpriced supplies and out-of-network doctors.. We avoid using tertiary references. When you seek care in an emergency room, the medical staff will determine your best care plan. According to UnitedHealth, a trip to the emergency department can cost 12 times more than a typical doctor's office visit. Instead, in both countries, you actually have four tightly regulated health insurance plans that compete against each other for the citizens' business. Catastrophic health insurance is a type of health plan that offers coverage in emergencies and coverage for preventive care. For patients without health insurance, an emergency room visit can cost less than $2200. There are always some kind of gap in the system that the public insurance can't cover, where the government step - where the private industry steps in and offers coverage. Your primary care provider is the best person to see for non-life-threatening health concerns. KLIFF: It's - (laughter). This is a policy that the insurance company Anthem has been pioneering for a few years. He ends up needing a CT scan to check out some brain injuries. And, like, $8,000 is a lot of money. And what Congress wants to do - what a few states have already done with their laws - is said, you can't go to the patient for that money. Clinical Classifications Software Refined (CCSR)Elixhauser Comorbidity Software Refined for ICD-10-CMChronic Condition Indicator Refined for ICD-10-CMProcedure Classes Refined for ICD-10-PCS Tools for CPT and HCPCS Level II CCS for Services and ProceduresSurgery Flags for Services and Procedures Tools for ICD-9-CM I mean, our system is so unique. GROSS: Hospital pricing and emergency room pricing seems to vary so much from hospital to hospital. If you have to go to an emergency room, you can lower your bill by negotiating with your insurance company or asking for a discount. Trademarks, brands, logos, and copyrights are the property of their respective owners. (n.d.). Outlined below are some of the most common reasons for visiting the ER. Health System Tracker report found that facility fees can make up 80% of the total cost of an ER visit. It's really hard for me to see the U.S. creating a health care system, similar to Canada's actually, where you can't buy private insurance, where if you're rich or you're poor, everyone waits in the exact same queue, you can't jump to the front of the line. They don't think all of Obamacare should fall if the mandate falls, but they do think some big parts, like you mentioned, the protections for pre-existing conditions, should be ruled unconstitutional if the mandate falls. KLIFF: And when you're unconscious, you're not really going to be great at price shopping. How much is a doctor visit without insurance? And some people don't have that opportunity, you know, like Justin Zanders, the guy we were talking about earlier who was taken to a hospital while he was unconscious. But there's only one of me, and there's about 2,000 bills in our database. KLIFF: So what cost so much was really the facility fee. Please note that this list is not comprehensive. In this past midterm and now again in the 2020 election, it seems pretty clear that Democrats are pretty excited to point out that Republicans wanted to repeal Obamacare. Use the Patient Price Estimator now. There are millions of people getting their coverage through the Affordable Care Act still today. You can ask angrily. For employees, health insurance premiums are exempt from federal income and payroll taxes, and their medical expenses are tax-deductible under certain conditions. You don't know how it's being split up between different patients. Are there, like, national guidelines that help determine what a hospital or a hospital emergency room charges for services? The oral surgeon didn't have a contract with the insurance and said, you know, I think my services are worth a lot more, so pursued the balance of the bill from Scott. However, urgent care may be a better alternative if your situation is not severe and does not demand immediate medical attention. Understanding the cost of your doctor visit. Even if you have this coverage, you may still have a costly bill, whichcan depend on whether you are being seen in an in-network facility, and how your insurance plan is structured. You know, if you're a hospital, you just choose your prices. Regardless of the services you are provided (stitches, MRI, prescription medication, etc. Catastrophic health insurance coverage is also available for individuals under 30 or individuals of any age with a hardship exemption or affordability exemption (based on Marketplace or job-based insurance being unaffordable). (2022). But I don't think it's a great way to run a health care system where we just, you know, the people who get their bills reversed are those who are lucky enough to have a reporter write a story about them. Sometimes there won't. KLIFF: Yeah. So he says, OK. You know, he's not really in a place to go anywhere. She interviewed many of the patients and the people behind the billing. GROSS: Isn't - I think legislation was proposed in California to change that. This information does not constitute and should not be relied on for professional medical advice. Sarah Kliff, welcome back to FRESH AIR. And the first judge who heard this case - he is a, you know, judge in a district court in Texas. (2021) https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db401.htm. This one - you know, it's a multiple-part argument, so I'll try my best to walk through it. Emergency Room visits by those who were uninsured cost almost $1,500 on average. Turns out, he was fine. And one of the things I think that's actually pretty interesting, when you look at any other country - you look at Canada, you look at the U.K., you look at France, which all have national health care systems - all of them have a private health insurance market, too. Its important to evaluate your situation to determine if you need to go to an emergency room, because the bills can be high. Emergency rooms are very expensive operations to manage for a few reasons. I just kind of had to cross my fingers and hope for the best, and luckily, I didn't get a surprise bill. That's really left up to the hospital, not the patient. It's not in network. Everything is more expensive in the ER. She fell from a really high height. Well-baby office visit, established patient (under 1 year)* $243 Well-child office visit, established patient (1-4 years)* $258 Well-child office visit, established patient (5-11 years)* $257 Well-child office visit, established patient (12-17 years)* $282 Well-adult office visit, established patient (18-39 years)* $289 GROSS: So it's not supplemental. Lets say you do end up in the emergency room. Learn more. (n.d.). So explain the trauma fee and how that kicks in. KLIFF: Right. But, you know, the Supreme Court is changing. And they said - you know, they - the parents sent this to me, saying, how could a Band-Aid cost $629? KLIFF: It's still pending in the California State Assembly. A few weeks later, he gets an $8,000 bill from that oral surgeon, who the insurance companies paid a smaller amount. It's so stacked for the hospital to be able to bill the prices that they want to bill. There's one called FAIR Health, for example, where you could look and see, you know, some information on what local prices typically are. Prices are typically lower in rural areas than in urban ones. Costs expected if you don't have insurance An emergency room (ER) visit can cost up to $2,600 if you don't have insurance. Average costs can vary by state and illness but range from $623-$3,087. Below are a few medical issues that urgent care clinics can treat: Although going to urgent care is cheaper than the ER, true medical emergencies should always be tended to in an emergency room. But in terms of, you know, what you want to charge, that's kind of up to you as someone running a hospital. I wrote about one family who was visiting San Francisco from Korea when their young son rolled out of the hotel bed. And somewhat ironically, San Francisco General, it is the city hospital. However, they serve different purposeswhile primary care providers know you and your medical history and provide care for your chronic medical issues, urgent care clinics are open for immediate attention at an extended range of hours.. They aren't in a position to shop. The cost of an ER visit varies, but the average cost is around $1,200. Through crowdsourcing, she collected over a thousand ER bills from around the country. - is, how do I - how do we - how do I prevent a surprise bill? GROSS: Now, of course, trips to the emergency room aren't always as simple as getting a Band-Aid or ibuprofen or some eyedrops. And he finds out - good news - it is. This sometimes happens when insurance plans drop a drug from their formularya list of brand and generic medicines they cover. Depending on the level of care needed, insurance will cover some or all of your ER bills. But, you know, generally, Obamacare is still standing. This article [], How to Get an Emergency Prescription Refill, If you need an emergency prescription refill, dont panicthere are plenty of ways to get your medication. In 2019, the average cost for an ER visit by an insured patient was $1,082. K Healths AI-powered app is HIPAA compliant and based on 20 years of clinical data. The average cost for treating a non-emergency condition at a walk-in or urgent care clinic is $185. This is - you know, when I had to go to the emergency room over the summer, you know, this is something I worried about. Then, a month later, you start getting bills expensive bills. KLIFF: It does significantly. Emergency rooms do not provide pricing for services upfront. Between $98 and $163 at an urgent care center. KLIFF: So what they have told me when I've talked to some spokespeople there is that they are a safety net hospital, and that is, you know, definitely true. Obamacare is constantly being challenged in court. Let me reintroduce you. GROSS: Well, if it goes to the Supreme Court, it would be very interesting to see what Justice Roberts says since he voted for the ACA, saying that the individual mandate was a tax. He ends up with a bill for $27,000. I couldn't ask them if they were in-network. You know, there's one other patient who kind of makes this point really well who was also seen at San Francisco General. Enter your email to sign up. Its late at night and you feel miserable. Here are a few other conditions GoodRx Care treats: There are many free, local clinics that provide care to uninsured, underinsured, and medically underserved communities. KLIFF: You don't, no. So I see that as, you know, a halfway solution that I often hear talked about here in Washington that would be great but is not going to suddenly result in, you know, prices dropping because they've been exposed in a spotlight. We'll get some updates on the state of Obamacare a little later in the interview. I am very sure that the Emergency room is really expensive for many people. In addition, patients should also note the in-network or out of network emergency rooms with your insurance plan. For patients without health insurance, an emergency room visit can cost less than $2200. In the United States, an emergency room visit costs $2,200 on average, according to the most prominent insurance carrier in the U.S., UnitedHealthcare. In Canada, for example, their public health plan doesn't cover prescription drugs, so two-thirds of Canadians take out a private plan, often through their employer, like us, to cover prescription drugs, to cover their eyeglasses, to cover their dental. She interviewed many of the patients and the people behind the billing to decipher why ER bills can have some surprise costs. Also, ER bills can get high because some hospitals dont contract with private insurance. GROSS: What are some of the biggest falsehoods you've heard from politicians about health insurance costs or health insurance policy? They're not really going anywhere. It is run by the city of San Francisco. If you have a sprained ankle but can still walk on it with some support, urgent care is likely your best choice in terms of time and cost. And second step, that means that the entirety of Obamacare has to fall. You know, I was seeing a doctor who worked for the hospital, but they were sending off my ultrasound to be read by a radiologist who I was never going to meet. Learn more about how we ensure our content is accurate, thorough, and unbiased by reading our. For instance, according to the same study, the same doctor's visit would cost different amounts depending on where you had the service: 9. So we were talking about the hidden facility fee, which most people don't know exists, and is responsible for a large chunk of a lot of emergency room bills. The National Association of Free & Charitable Clinics can help you find a free clinic in your area. (Laughter). In fact, the federal Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act (EMTALA) is designed to guarantee a person's right to receive emergency treatment, regardless of if they can pay or not [source: CMS ]. (hence we commonly call an academic medical center a level 1 trauma center). Why an ER visit is so expensive Emergency rooms are very expensive operations to manage for a few reasons. (n.d.) https://www.unitedhealthgroup.com/content/dam/UHG/PDF/2019/UHG-Avoidable-ED-Visits.pdf, Emergency Department Visit Rates by Selected Characteristics: United States, 2018. The fact that there's so much widespread price variation suggests to me that it's not just the cost of doing business driving it, that there's also business decisions being made behind ibuprofen that are driving the prices different hospitals are setting. ER visits are expensive partly because emergency departments are expensive to run. Understanding your health plan costs can help you choose the right coverage and budget for your health care spending. They are going to point at the fact that President Trump tried to repeal the Affordable Care Act. This is another one where, once I started asking them about it, the bill suddenly disappeared. I cannot think of anything he could've done to avoid that bill. Costs of Emergency Department Visits in the United States, 2017. So they have told me that their focus is on serving those patients and that therefore, you know, they're not going to contract with private insurance companies. Primary care and urgent care can treat a similar range of health conditions. You wouldn't believe what some emergency rooms charge, or maybe you would because you've gotten bills. And she fell off a climbing wall and, somewhat amazingly, you know, turns out she had a concussion. KLIFF: Absolutely not. Heres what you can do to lower your ER bill: Remember those high facility fees? That's pretty different than, you know, the 2012 election, where Democrats were pretty scared to run on Obamacare. But the general concept is to take the patient out of this billing situation because, like you said, Terry, they really aren't in a position to negotiate. By signing up, I agree to GoodRx's Terms and Privacy Policy, and to receive marketing messages from GoodRx. And, you know, that is, I think, why you see so much variation and why you see some really high prices in American health care. Hospital fees include the cost of your room and supplies for . KLIFF: Yeah, that's right. We also share tips on ways to lower your ER bill and your options for financial aid if you need it. The facility fee is totally separate. It still wasn't popular. The average cost of an urgent care visit is $100 - $150. GROSS: Yes. Like, if you go to the hospital, you don't know if you have a broken bone or not. By providing your email address, you agree to receive emails containing coupons, refill reminders and promotional messages from GoodRx. You go to an emergency room, and the bill is very high. He's not asking to be taken anyplace. And if you try and call up a hospital and ask what the facility fee is, usually you won't get very far. Beyond that, costs are determined by the hospital, which can vary widely from location to location. She's then ambulance-transferred to Zuckerberg San Francisco General, and she ends up with another bill over $20,000 that the hospital was pursuing from her until I started asking questions from it, and the hospital ultimately dropped the bill. 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